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Patek would prefer to prioritize customers who can become long-term loyal clients, not flippers.

 
By: GLau : April 26th, 2024-19:36
INTRODUCTION With recent threads describing the difficulties of purchasing a P atek watch, I reached out and had an informal chat with Patek management to understand more about their objectives and policies . Perhaps some of the bad feelings experienced b...  

The letter talks about selling other brands to obtain a Patek...

 
By: mdg : April 26th, 2024-19:42
...what about asking a customer to purchase a Patek they don't really want to get the Patek watch they actually want?

Fair point !

 
By: GLau : April 26th, 2024-19:46
I do not have all the answers but have made some suggestions on improvement for more fair allocation policies. What do you suggest ?

There is obviously more demand than supply...

 
By: mdg : April 26th, 2024-19:54
...so I can see them asking about a customer's history with buying Patek in the past. But I am totally against the practice of 'You may want to consider a Calatrava or two before you can have the perpetual you really want.'

Here's what I was told by an AD:

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : April 26th, 2024-20:14
I would need $2million in Patek purchases before Patek would grant me the honor of purchasing a minute repeater. What garbage!

Start saving : )

 
By: mdg : April 26th, 2024-23:52
A good friend wanted a limited Lange piece last year or so. He'd already purchased 2 or 3 'normal' Langes and 2 or 3 very pricey special Langes. They told him to buy another Lange he didn't want nor need in order to be considered. Really put him off. He's... 

As others have, I took my interest elsewhere.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : April 27th, 2024-13:24
Why buy lower end Pateks when their quality has declined even as production numbers have skyrocketed?

I never did.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : April 29th, 2024-19:23
I think if you remove the Patek name from most of their low and mid offerings, they wouldn't do well at all. For the minute repeaters, as I mentioned elsewhere, my wofe has perfect pitch, so we would have to see the specific watch (they vary!) before comm... 

I had a relationship with an AD...

 
By: mdg : April 27th, 2024-17:58
...but it's complicated. I recommended him to them and he bought many special pieces including a rattrapante and multiple PCs. That AD has since lost their Patek status so he is now dealing with someone else. Also the above should say "He's NOW thinking a... 

If an item is advertised as 'for sale'...

 
By: mdg : April 26th, 2024-23:48
...and someone wants to buy it, I believe it should be sold. Perhaps they can put terms on the sale (if supported by local consumer law) like Ford did with the GT to mitigate flipping. But I agree that it is a tough issue and I am often wrong : )

This is why

 
By: PaddyP : April 27th, 2024-11:43
I have taken my custom elsewhere and enjoying such a refreshing and pleasant experience with Ferrier, Moser and Parmagiani.

Iā€™m more interested in how they address clients whoā€™s AD got closed down and left hanging?

 
By: Clueless_Collector : April 26th, 2024-19:45
We know how difficult it is, nowadays to establish a new relationship with a new AD. How can they take care of existing clients who were abandoned? Should they give the names of those to another nearby AD and asked that the AD take care of them? PS: Iā€™m o... 

Sorry to hear about your unfortunate situation! :-(

 
By: GLau : April 26th, 2024-19:50
My friend was in the same situation. He was introduced to another AD in his location. Starting a new relationship with an AD is always challenging. Other suggestions ?

Other question is how can some PP collectors can have boxes full of Nautiluses and Aquanauts but some PP collectors don't have a single one, lol....

 
By: Clueless_Collector : April 26th, 2024-20:30
Just teasing you...I know it's pointless to ask any further questions or provide any suggestions. When I called the NY Salon, the first question the sales asked was, "Do you have 10 or more PPs? We have so many customers and we like to see each customer i... 

Ya, if a collector does not purchase other Patek watches and is able to only get hot models from Nautilus and Aquanaut at retail, then

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-08:33
something is really wrong with the policies and practices at that AD. Such unfair behavior needs to be reported to Patek for corrective actions.

You have a wonderful collection ! šŸ‘ may be you don't need more Pateks šŸ¤­

 
By: christianch : April 28th, 2024-00:20
just teasing I agree is 100% BS. They don't want just money but status. To be an object that money can't buy. There also many collectors with a box full of nautilus or aquanaut sourced in the grey market

Stop buying

 
By: Mr.Gatsby : May 3rd, 2024-16:40
You donā€™t need more and everyone still loves you Best Gatsby

I think thereā€™s still stuff to be bought

 
By: Mr.Gatsby : May 3rd, 2024-18:16
I realized just today how ill disciplined Iā€™ve become. There are really some gems out there with uncovering and so I will continue to buy but (with some help, determination and discipline) at a much slower pace. Quality over quantity.. Best Gatsby

Would be great if you could explain

 
By: GLau : April 26th, 2024-19:54
which part(s) you do not believe it and why. Also I would appreciate if you could reply in a more friendly way such as ā€œI strongly disagree because ā€¦ā€. Would this way of engagement be possible ?

I did not mean to offend

 
By: Concord : April 26th, 2024-22:52
Anybody personally. We all know how things work in this world. What is the point of this letter? I donā€™t believe he is sincere. That is all.

As any firm in a free market economy

 
By: Henke : April 26th, 2024-20:25
Problems arise when there are mismatches between demand and supply. I understand that Patek is its own storied institution, steeped in tradition, and that I have absolutely no right to tell them what to do, but any junior economist will tell you that prob... 

The way the market is looking...

 
By: mdg : April 26th, 2024-23:54
...there may be quite a few luxury watches from all brands suddenly available.

Certainly hope so

 
By: Henke : April 27th, 2024-06:00
But bad times will hit the non hyped models much harder than the usual suspects. I would love for the market to soften enough so I can pick up a 39mm Dato at a reasonable price. I have some hope as it isn't a CB or a Nautilus...

Good points you made from different angles, especially about "casualizing the calatrava line".

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-09:00
As Patek is a family business being operated for the long term, IMO the need to have a good balance in selling different products is important. Since "business casual" is now popular, having more casual Calatrava watches is befitting of the times and groo... 

ā€œA sale is a saleā€ until the AD is

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-10:01
caught for working with such loyal flippers. Could be game over then ā˜ ļø for that AD

Gordon, this an extremely well written, fair minded and factual presentation of of a problem that has caused great consternation for many.

 
By: patekova : April 26th, 2024-22:43
Thierry hits the crux of the benefit and dilemma succinctly: ā€œsustained demand which we cannot satisfyā€.ADs are basically in an untenable situation - Very limited supply and both existing and potentially new clients clamoring to buy a Patek. Clearly Thier... 

Many thanks Patekova for your kind comments and objective assessment of the current "dichotomy" that Patek and ADs are facing !

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-16:11
Many salespeople from various ADs have told me how difficult and challenging their jobs have become :-( Saying "no" and/or "sorry" is/are against the nature of being in sales. I am glad that this post has generated some great discussions and suggestions.

This isnā€™t news.

 
By: gary_g : April 27th, 2024-01:30
Itā€™s just now itā€™s so much more amplified. ADs have always done this. I was once told to buy an omega, JLC and a panerai in order to get a 5711. In retrospect it was a good deal. Or, how many datejusts did one have to buy to get a SS Daytona? Before pande... 

Hi Gary, when you wrote "in retrospect it was a good deal", I presume that you

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-16:28
meant from a financial perspective, correct ? The "bundling" of other brands is exactly what Patek will not tolerate based on TS's letter. Patekova described above that Patek wanting a collector to build a relationship starting with less desirable piece(s... 

Well done, Patek

 
By: Chaiwat : April 27th, 2024-02:29
Lucky my experiences with Ad are great, every time visiting are alway enjoyable. I am on the side of Patek for their policy.

Thanks for weighing in Chaiwat !

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-16:30
I understand and appreciate Patek's allocation system and policies. The key issue here is how to assist the ADs to be more fair.

This letter did not address purchase with purchase for PP as most ppl point out here and what is flippers?!

 
By: iceheller 1945 āœŒļø : April 27th, 2024-02:55
If no flippers, PP would not be where they are today with the astronomical prices they fetch at auctions. It a flippers market at auctionā€¦ a watch that is sold less than 8-5years can end up in auction houses, no different frm so call flippers as they can ... 

Thatā€™s a good poin.

 
By: PaddyP : April 27th, 2024-03:34
Thatā€™s a good point. My thoughts are you shouldnā€™t be left in the lurch when your AD loses the relationship. You should be invited to shop at the nearest AD and your interest list and purchased piece history should carry over to the next. Like with Ferrar... 

How would you feel

 
By: Henke : April 27th, 2024-07:24
If you were in line for a piece you want at your AD and someone else got the piece instead because their AD in the next town over closed? Every policy has winners and losers...

I understand

 
By: PaddyP : April 27th, 2024-08:57
what you are saying but you shouldnā€™t just start from scratch and have no communication at all. Even an invitation to enquire elsewhere would have been nice, but nothing. For what its worth, before I moved elsewhere I was told I would not accepted at anot... 

Indeed,

 
By: Henke : April 28th, 2024-20:12
There seems to be no easy solution. Perhaps Patek could direct or prioritise the allocations for the "refuge AD" for orphaned collectors...

I like your suggestionā€¦.

 
By: Capton : April 28th, 2024-22:46
If PP was to direct or prioritize it could help the situation. With all of the ADs being cut there must be some slack

Yes I was thinking along the lines of Patek certified pre owned with the AD

 
By: PaddyP : April 28th, 2024-00:32
so that if your customers who had bought the Patek piece a few years back could upgrade from say 5205 to 5320 or 5270 just like how a Porsche customer could upgrade from say 718 to 911. It keeps the piece within the local AD and rewards the customer for t... 

If no flippers

 
By: Henke : April 27th, 2024-07:22
Then auction prices will get even higher, surely? Because more Nautiluses are sold directly to keepers, there will be fewer on the market so auctions will be bid up even more...

Fair points you made ! You are correct in that the letter did not address buying Pateks other than the watch a customer wants.

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-16:46
As Patekova wrote above, he believes that "Being required to build a relationship by buying presumably lesser desired Pateks before getting the more highly desired ones, is not considered bundling. Nor apparently is it discouraged. It is also understandab... 

Lawsuit filed in 2023 over bundling in SF

 
By: Patekfinity : April 27th, 2024-03:33
Hereā€™s a link to a story Iā€™m sure most of you know already regarding a lawsuit filed against an AD for asking their client to buy ā€œotherā€ watches or jewelry before client is allocated a Nautilus model. I understand the importance of having several Patek ... 

Thanks Patekfinity for your thoughtful comments !

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-16:59
If someone has no history of buying Patek watches but wants a MR which other big customers have been waiting for a while, AD simply will not entertain the request.

Any updates?

 
By: Patekfinity : April 27th, 2024-21:14
Wow! I wonder if there are any updates to the lawsuit filed. If ruled in favor of your friend then this case will have precedence for other lawsuits in the future against ADs bundling purchases.

Apparently they settled a while ago

 
By: Dauster : April 30th, 2024-05:52
Probably saved the AD who is building a brand new Rolex boutique in Stanford Mall / Palo Alto some embarrassment

Patek Should Open Company Owned Mono Boutiques

 
By: sludgeriff : April 27th, 2024-03:39
They definitely have the clout. Certainly would improve interactions with their collectors regarding how/when purchases occur. Also, the after sales experience would be streamlined for all parties.

Your point is well taken in that Patek can open their only retail stores. Based on my past and recent chats with Patek executives, owning its

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-17:59
retail network does not fit its strategy. Although it has 5 (I believe) self-owned Salons and Maisons (Geneva, London, Paris, Beijing and Shanghai), Patek wants to remain mostly a manufacturer as explained in my post.

Nautilus and Aquanaut should be made in thousands a year

 
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : April 27th, 2024-06:40
With this action, Patek would instantly get rid of flippers, investors and all the other sneaky behaviors that affect the brand's reputation.

Not Patek is the problem, we buyers are!

 
By: Bullit : April 27th, 2024-08:26
I am since 6 years on the waiting list for an Aquanaut. When I ordered it, I was asked, if I know the value of the watch on the second hand market, I was really wondering that they put my name on the list. Three years later I was asked to buy some three h... 

Why didn't you just leave?

 
By: fmc000 : April 27th, 2024-11:51
I mean, after six years you accepted to be treated like that? Seriously?

You are right in that only the customers can change the situation. It is a

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-18:10
free market and consumers should buy what they want. Did you end up buying any Patek three hand watches ?

You are right. If Patek produces as many steel Nautilus and Aquanaut as demanded, flipping of these watches will not occur. Production capacity will

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-18:07
be taken away from other lines then. Patek will quickly become a one horse pony which might not be wise from a long term business perspective. What will Patek do when that time arrives ? Due to its huge success with Royal Oak, AP several years ago created... 

Thank You

 
By: Koozy : April 27th, 2024-10:26
A variety of comments above but I just wanted to say thank you for an interesting and informative post.

For me it's very simple

 
By: Eric67 : April 27th, 2024-12:21
I don't play these games. No bundling, no waiting lists, no allocations, no premium. Never. I do things in my work and life that are far more important (don't want to seem pretentious because really I'm not, it's just a fact, a watch is only a watch) than... 

I donā€™t like the use of the word blackmail

 
By: Matty : April 27th, 2024-16:33
Because it seems there is sanctioned ā€œblackmailā€ if itā€™s Patekā€™s own products of buying a Calatrava, complications, etc. to get an aquanaut or nautilus. I also donā€™t think thereā€™s anything wrong with that tooā€”itā€™s just the word they use. And I can see why... 

Hi Matty, thanks for your comments ! If "blackmail" is not the correct word, then perhaps

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-18:20
coerce or force might be better ? As Patekova wrote in his reply, he thinks "Being required to build a relationship by buying presumably lesser desired Pateks before getting the more highly desired ones, is not considered bundling. Nor apparently is it di... 

I donā€™t have a problem with ADs rewarding repeat customers

 
By: Matty : April 27th, 2024-20:05
I think it makes sense. Thereā€™s a finite amount of pieces and do you allocate to someone who has purchases several watches or no watches. I donā€™t feel someone has a ā€œrightā€ to buy an aquanaut or nautilus or whatever ā€” so long as thereā€™s not some unlawful ... 

Agree with you final sentence. As a consumer, one decides where and when

 
By: GLau : April 28th, 2024-07:28
to spend his/her own money. As I mentioned above, it is a free society as far as horology is concerned.
By: pmh6000 : April 27th, 2024-17:02
I believe Mr Stern is sincere in his letter and I also believe he is an astute businessman. The AD I most frequently visit is a Rolex and Patek authorized establishment. Over the years he has never asked for or even hinted that I buy something as a preclu... 

Thanks pmh6000 for your wise words ! We should simply

 
By: GLau : April 27th, 2024-18:23
spend our money the way we wish. Glad to hear that your AD has never asked you to buy pieces that you did not want. Trust that you have a great relationship with this AD and you get what you want.

Thanks for sharing the letter, but.. šŸ˜Ž

 
By: christianch : April 28th, 2024-00:17
I understand that some Patek Philippe models, such as the Nautilus and Aquanaut, are in high demand and that there is a supply-and-demand situation to consider. However, I'm not sure how much it would help the client who has lost trust in the brand. Altho... 

Thanks Christian for weighing in ! To me the crux is how to ensure ADs behave better in terms of fairness and customer service.

 
By: GLau : April 28th, 2024-07:38
IMO Patek has the ability to guide the ADs to improve performance. Us as individual Patek collectors and together as a Patek collector community, we can provide useful suggestions (which what this thread is about) to assist Patek. The various replies abov... 

Great post Gordon.

 
By: Miles_151 : April 28th, 2024-08:52
I absolutely hate the new world we all live in today for so many reasons. My beloved hobby of horology has all but been ruined by the new money supposed watch enthusiasts. Those that know me know I speak my mind. As an old school collector who started col... 

Thanks Miles for your words of encouragement which motivates me to write more of this type of posts ! :-) Your honest feedback

 
By: GLau : April 29th, 2024-15:31
is what our forum members want to read. Given your enjoyable journey and understanding of the dynamics between Patek and ADs, can you please provide suggestions on how Patek can better guide ADs to be more fair and create a win-win-win situation for all t... 

Gordon my friend Iā€™m not sure you are

 
By: Miles_151 : April 29th, 2024-21:31
Correct that the members here want to read honest posts like mine. The lack of response speak volumes Iā€™m afraid. However I will always be honest and not be worried about upsetting anyone else. To answer your question what can Patek do to improve the rela... 

I think you are being a bit unfair

 
By: Dauster : April 30th, 2024-06:02
TS and Patek do a lot - just alone keeping the rare handcrafts alive canā€™t be a high margin business and must lose money. Same with the amazing exhibitions that are FREE every other year. Remember to do all that including the upkeep of this amazing museum... 

Absolutely agree.

 
By: Miles_151 : April 30th, 2024-21:43
That Patek do so much to give back to its collectors and clients and spend a vast amount of money keeping their Arts alive which is admirable and I am so pleased they do. However I canā€™t help but feel a bit let down and disappointed about who they sell wa... 

I understand you wish back the good ol' days :) - don't want to dwell on it

 
By: Dauster : April 30th, 2024-23:58
but what would you like them do? I am just honestly curious how your ideal process would be like? How can they possible choose a certain type of collector exclusively ? Or am I misunderstanding you ?

Loved your post Miles:

 
By: Rastro : April 30th, 2024-04:22
Knowing you for many years even way back when I first started out- remember me and the I had my grail PPDRSD from Dr Ed and my you helped me contact your good friend Jed and helped me there too šŸ˜Ž. I loved your passion and that you never sought or bought a... 

Thank you my friend.

 
By: Miles_151 : April 30th, 2024-07:48
Comments like that is what makes it all worth while. I do remember you so lovely to hear from you. I hope your journey has been enjoyable and still is. Dr Edā€¦.. what a Gent he was also always had time for people and never wanted anything back. Do you stil... 

Even more elegant? When buying jewellery for the same amount as the PP, you were invited to the exclusive PP diners and visit to the manufacture...

 
By: HiĆ«ronymus : April 28th, 2024-11:12
But I agree, bundle sales tend to go on as long as the other (in)direct commercial interests of the AD (selling jewellery and other trademarks than PP) remain.

sure. but as we all know, AP boutiques pitch codes 11.59 to people interested to ROs. and lange does not sell an odysseus unless one buys a ....

 
By: Peter : April 28th, 2024-20:32
...zeitwerk or datograph. i find that really funny since i bought my odysseus WG unworn brand-new for 12K euros under list:: )) i guess there will be argon awakening sooner or later for those companies.

.

 
By: Lafrog : April 30th, 2024-08:28
The RO company will be fine. Lange on the other hand is in for a rude awakening haha. I have no problem with brands asking their clients to buy sh1t items from their own brand, but patek letting Ad do their thing and blackmail clients into buying jeweller... 

Patek tries its best

 
By: Ichiran : May 1st, 2024-00:41
I buy my Patek mostly from an AD and my AD never hinted to bundle or buy other brands to get a Patek. It's a good thing my taste spans across their model lines and I felt ecstatic receiving my 5270P just the same way I received my 5740. I can imagine my A... 

Thanks for your comments ! Delighted to hear that

 
By: GLau : May 1st, 2024-10:27
your AD does not request ā€œbundlingā€ of any sort !šŸ‘ Please create posts for your Pateks šŸ˜ƒ

Just posted!

 
By: Ichiran : May 1st, 2024-12:32
My AD doesn't explicitly tell me about the bundling but they probably won't call me for a sport Patek if I don't ever buy a less popular model.

closing ADs

 
By: Peter : May 1st, 2024-18:21
by PP is usually based on economic considerations like location (they only want prime locations in the various cities), negotiations with chains like wempe, bucherer etc. on where to best position PP, concentration avoidance (does not apply to hongkong fo... 

Canā€™t read your textā€¦ all jumbled up

 
By: Mr.Gatsby : May 3rd, 2024-16:38
But reading all the responses below it seems nothing is solved and there is no answer to the solution the market HOWEVERā€¦is resolving itself. When the majority of the market wants a steel Patek the price gets overheated, as Greenspan puts it, irrational e... 

My suggestion:

 
By: Wristenthusiast : May 4th, 2024-03:46
Patek should make their other watches (non aquanaut and nautilus) more desirable. I like the new modern Calatrava, but not at its price point. Make a calatrava I can submerge in water without ruining it (not necessarily a sports watch diver) and make the ... 

Sorry I should have been more specific

 
By: Wristenthusiast : May 5th, 2024-03:49
I was referring to the 6007 with its various colors. All I am saying is that the idea that a company has to force people to buy product they are not interested in just to get what they are interested in is absurd and reflects poorly on the company. I donā€™... 

Thank you for clarifying that you were referring to 6007 šŸ‘

 
By: GLau : May 5th, 2024-14:03
This reference with colorful hands, markers and stitching is expanding the Calatrava line to become more stylish and sporty. I hear and understand about your concerns, and appreciate your comments. To me, assuming that only a small % of yearly production ... 

Very good article

 
By: cbb in honor of Chamnong Bhirombhakdi : May 5th, 2024-17:25
Thank you for help clearing doubts we all have. Iā€™m sure you talked to the right people as the replies are along the same line I got. But I think the letter should have stated the ā€œconsequencesā€ they will face if they donā€™t abide by Patekā€™s ruleā€¦ and do i... 

Thanks cbb for your kind words ! Glad to hear that

 
By: GLau : May 7th, 2024-14:16
my understanding is similar to you understanding. What other watch(es) did you get from Geneva this time ?

Hi, do you ever discuss concerns

 
By: Dauster : May 11th, 2024-21:59
Of the mere mortals with Mr Stern ? Such as ADs closing down and collectors not having another new AD to purchase from after their AD gets shut down.

Hi Dauster, your point regarding customers of ADs that were shut down was also raised earlier by "Clueless_Collector" in his comments on April 26th.

 
By: GLau : May 12th, 2024-15:33
Patek is fully aware of this post and the replies/suggestions provided by our forum members. On this particular matter Cluess_Collector and you commented on, I specifically highlighted this issue with Patek, amongst other feedback. Hopefully the situation... 

Thank you

 
By: Dauster : May 13th, 2024-00:37
But I was curious if cbb has any insights since she seems to have a close relationship with Mr Stern. If thatā€™s something that canā€™t be shared publicly no problem.

Sorry I donā€™t

 
By: cbb in honor of Chamnong Bhirombhakdi : May 13th, 2024-18:17
I only know that Patek wants to be fair to everyone and is truly upset ad ā€œadd-onā€ sale

patek and ADs

 
By: Peter : May 8th, 2024-10:01
PP should really reign in the practices of their ADs. for example, a germain chain of ADs advertises currently available (non-sports) PP models on their webpage. when i called they told me that those models were really available (at least they don't lie t... 

I presume these non-sports models are the harder to sell pieces ? If so, are they

 
By: GLau : May 8th, 2024-13:42
calatrava, ellipse, WTs and/or perpetual calendar pieces ? If they offer you a watch that you want at retail, would you not buy from them ?

well, there are some nice watches available from them, like 5270P, 5935A etc.

 
By: Peter : May 8th, 2024-14:05
i don't live in the EC, so i am entitled to VAT refunds when i export pieces. i would not buy if i don't get the tax back (19%!).

Since you have no local access, IMO getting a watch you want from the

 
By: GLau : May 9th, 2024-17:05
German AD at retail price (without VAT refund) seems worthwhile. Naturally you as the consumer make your own decision.

i feel it is incorrect from the AD to withhold a tax return from a legally entitled customer.

 
By: Peter : May 10th, 2024-13:07
in fact it is a bit like blackmail......if you insist on the tax return we won't sell to you (because then we cannot keep up the charade of pretending with PP to sell to local clients only......).

Can you not apply for the tax return on your own?

 
By: Capton : May 10th, 2024-14:28
I believe you can do this at the airport when you are departing and not involve the AD. I did this a few years ago after buying an Omega in Zermattā€¦ I did the paperwork in Geneva at the airport on my way homeā€¦ got the refund a few weeks later (refund appl... 

I can understand Patek's stance.....

 
By: Huei : May 21st, 2024-09:25
which is to focus on its R&D, design and production while delegating distribution of their watches to their retailers (except for those application pieces). Nevertheless, Patek has constant communication with them to ensure their watches will go to th... 

Agree with you huei ! Suggestions from forum

 
By: GLau : May 27th, 2024-16:51
members are also what Patek needs so that the allocation policies can be improved !šŸ’Ŗ

I get the pricing strategy

 
By: m2 : May 30th, 2024-16:23
It's very popular with a ton of luxury brands now, but personally it makes things less fun for me and as a result I've pivoted spend away from any of the big brands. I still want a few PPs like a Worldtimer, but will just buy those used as they go for bel... 

You can definitely pick up some great pieces at

 
By: GLau : June 3rd, 2024-16:32
very good values in the secondary market. Let us know when you get something you like !